who don't wear uniform or civilians work for the pentagon. the pentagon is a big bureaucracy. the point i would make, martha. private businesses did this during the recession. they sucked in their stomach, they tightened their belt. they got rid of waste in their budget and why can't government do that? martha: you've been saying it. rick perry tried to do the list you did. things didn't work out very well for him. you did it masterfully. you're not seeing that list from republicans, are you? >> well, i know, --. martha: elected republicans in washington? >> you know what, martha? paul ryan has a budget that passed congress the last two years and that has some pretty specific cuts. you and i might not agree with everything on the list --. martha: but i'm saying average person on the street what would they cut, they would not be able to do that. we have to go. >> everybody loves santa claus. that is why we have a problem and the debt, right? martha: thank you, steve. >> see you, martha. martha: we'll see you soon. bill: ho, ho, ho. 21 past the